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Annotate songs specific to setlists
#1
I have many situations where the same song appears in multiple setlists (for different playing partners, different gigs, etc.). I need to annotate songs specific to the setlist, e.g., to make notes about who is playing harmony, how many times through. These notes are different for each setlist, so I don't want them to show up if I switch to a different set list or even just choose the song directly from the songlist.

Any easy way to do this? I'm managing with annotations, but it's clumsy to get them out of the way when I don't need them.
Thanks!
Jeanne
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#2
The easiest way to deal with this problem is to make copies of the song per setlist. Each copy of the song could have different annotations. One of the ideas on my TODO list is to add a concept of song versions. Each version of a song would potentially have its own set of data, files, annotations, etc. When adding a song to a setlist, you could choose which version to use. This would allow you to manage the annotations differently per version of the song. It would also allow for things like having the same song in different instruments, and switching the active version depending upon which instrument is needed (reducing the number of songs needed in the library).

The other option for dealing with this option would be for me to add annotations per setlist, but I really don't like the idea of doing that, as it completely breaks my current design.

Mike
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#3
I have the same problem and I solved it in the way Mike has outlined.  Just make a copy of the chart and give it a unique name.  In my case, I tend to use Song Title - Key - Vocalist or Band name, but whatever works for you.  These individual charts are then placed in setlists and annotated as and if required.
Graeme

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#4
Thanks! I was afraid that would be the answer. I can do that, but it's clumsy and confusing. Too many songs, and the songs are the same except for the setlist notes. Multiple copies of a song then gets messy when I have annotations that apply to all setlists. So I guess what I really want is notes that are attached to the song (as they are now, so show for all setlists or just selecting the song), and notes that are attached to the setlist only (performance notes?).

I guess this is turning into a feature request!

An alternative that would work well for me, and maybe others, without changing anything about how annotations are currently handled. In fact, this might even be better for me. Leave annotations on the song as they are, but provide a way of either generating a songlist within MobileSheets, and let us annotate the song list, or provide a way of including "hot links" from a songlist in Google docs or similar to the sheet music for the songs. I usually create a songlist, and put the notes there. Then I print the songlist before a gig, and only use the tablet if I actually need to look at the sheet music. If I could display the song list with it's notes, and just tap to get the sheet music, that would be super. Sometimes the notes are very brief (e.g., 2x, me harmony) but sometimes I include notes about which of us is introducing the song and approximately what we're going to say (and the names of the people to thank!). I can do all of this now except tap to get the sheet music.

About versions: The version concept doesn't really change things for me, and might muddy the waters as I already have "true" versions: same song, different source.

I guess I'd like a way to keep track of performance versions as something distinct from song versions, i.e., not have multiple copies of a song that is the same except for performance notes.

Thanks for considering!
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#5
Another approach would be to create a setlist and then insert a placeholder prior to any chart you want specific notes for and enter those notes on the placeholder page. As you cycle through the setlist, you get a reminder of how you're about to play the next chart.

Another setlist with the same charts, but for a different arrangement, just needs a different set of placeholders with the appropriate notes.

This means that each piece of music is only stored once (with any annotations that are common to all performances).
Graeme

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#6
Thanks. I'll have to experiment with this as I'm not clear (yet) on how placeholders work. I like that it avoids duplicating the charts. I really don't want extra stuff in my main database as that will make a mess in the long run. This might be a good workaround: I'll try it!
Jeanne
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#7
One thing to note about placeholders - it is in fact a song that will show up on the Songs tab, so if you create a lot of them, it could create the "mess" you are trying to avoid.

Another thing that is worth considering is to create multiple layers of annotations in the annotations editor. You could then switch between what annotations are shown depending upon which setlist is loaded, but then you would need a way to correlate which annotation group to use for which setlist, so I'm not sure that will work for you either.

Currently, notes can be kept for songs by tapping the notepad icon at the top left corner of the overlay. If that feature is expanded so that specific notes can be kept for each song in a setlist (associating the notes with the setlist instead of the song), and there is a way to automatically have those notes pop up when the song is viewed (or a way to bring them up and have them fade out or something along those lines), would that work better for you?
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#8
(02-12-2016, 11:52 AM)Zuberman Wrote: Currently, notes can be kept for songs by tapping the notepad icon at the top left corner of the overlay. If that feature is expanded so that specific notes can be kept for each song in a setlist (associating the notes with the setlist instead of the song), and there is a way to automatically have those notes pop up when the song is viewed (or a way to bring them up and have them fade out or something along those lines), would that work better for you?

That is a much better idea.

I seem to remember asking if notes could pop up when the chart was loaded, ages ago Smile .  Tying the notes to a specific setlist is a great idea.
Graeme

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#9
I've now added support for having notes automatically displayed for songs for version 1.3.7. You can set notes independently per setlist and you can also set songs for when the song is loaded outside of a setlist if you so desire (so that you can have notes that aren't shown when it's loaded in a setlist). Hopefully everyone will like the behavior and appearance. I've included options so the notes can be dismissed with a touch or they will fade out after a set amount of time (1 to 10 seconds).

Mike
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#10
(02-15-2016, 09:14 AM)Zuberman Wrote: I've now added support for having notes automatically displayed for songs for version 1.3.7. You can set notes independently per setlist and you can also set songs for when the song is loaded outside of a setlist if you so desire (so that you can have notes that aren't shown when it's loaded in a setlist).  Hopefully everyone will like the behavior and appearance. I've included options so the notes can be dismissed with a touch or they will fade out after a set amount of time (1 to 10 seconds).

Mike

Mike, I would willingly have your babies - that's a great set of changes
Graeme

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2: eSTAR GRAND HD Quad-Core 4G 10.2": Android 5.1 
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